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>From: "bruno" <bruno>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: daily fact correction
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:21:54 +1000
>
>Heya Todd,
>
>Long time listener first time writer. Anyhoo your piece on "flipping
>the bird" was somewhat inaccurate, there has been much debate over this
>period of history and unfortunately the camp who has put forward the
>crossbow/middle finger angle has gotten more and more publicity of late
>(most likely American historians ;p). It is infact dead wrong (that's
>not to say that middle fingers weren't removed but the bird was never a
>common English taunt until recent times).
>
>Anyway the deal went like this, crossbows had been around for donkeys
>(and in fact the French were more famous for crossbows than the
>English, search Genoese you should see lots of info).
>
>Now, at Crecy in the mid 1300's the English showed up almost
>overwhelmingly outnumbered. The battle began and the French started
>using their crossbowmen. In the back ranks of the English force were a
>new type of soldier, the longbowman (not true really, It was an
>adaptation of a welsh weapon which they had used against the Scottish
>before). Longbows used physics and economics rather than an ease of use
>method. Because of the large frame you could draw back much further
>(thus more force) and the arrows were much heavier with large iron
>heads. These arrows could pierce armor from over 250 yards away (and
>they say 4 inch hardwood from close range). Archers could also load up
>to 20 arrows per minute, about 5 times that of crossbows and as such
>sit back and basicly murder the opposition.
>
>So the poms sat back, fired their arrows, firstly at the French
>crossbowmen and then the cavalry. The casualty ratio at the end of the
>battle was about 80:1 in the favour of the English, which was one of
>the biggest surprises in the history of medieval European combat. The
>longbow changed the political landscape in Europe, bringing England to
>the top of the pile, they were the most feared army in all of Europe
>because of their bows. When did this end? When the French introduced
>artillery, initially with the single purpose of annihilating English
>longbowmen, they underestimated their own newfound power.
>
>
>The "ups" gesture became a source of English pride from this and other
>battles (most famously Agincourt), when the French captured an English
>longbowman they would remove the middle AND index finger before
>releasing them, ensuring that they could never use a longbow again.
>
>So from Agincourt onward the longbowmen would raise their middle
>fingers meaning I still got em, and your dead. And ever since it has
>been a way of the English to remind the froggies of how crap they are.
>
>Oh it has also been argued that the "peace" gesture originated here as
>well, imagine an Englishman standing behind a crossbowman about to
>begin battle, the longbowman raises his 2 finger salute to the French.
>What do the English behind him see, the reverse which essentially said
>"you are safe, peace for you behind the wall of longbows". This I
>cannot find any direct evidence of, but it sounds good. ;p
>
>I hope this has been of interest for you todd, keep up all the good
>work!
>
>Kind Regards,
>Bruno
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Todd,
>From: "Darren" <earthlink.net>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Daily fact for 12/8
>Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:32:12 -0800
>
>I dont mean to picky but it should read longbow not crossbow. :)
>
>Darren